Toxic Frugality and Financial Independence

by Life Outside The Maze

There has been an alarming focus recently in the financial independence community around toxic frugality.  It has inspired me to reluctantly pick up my virtual pen.  The argument goes something like this, saving and investing to amass wealth that enables your lifestyle aspirations is not the biggest financial barrier to living a better life. That is straight forward common knowledge. Rather the biggest barrier is toxic frugality and not knowing how to spend money well. 

Is Frugality Toxic?

The straw man reads as follows, the world is good at teaching us all to save money but the real problem is that most people suck at spending it well.  Hence, they amass huge piles of cash and sit there hoarding it like a miser.  Those advocating a path toward early financial independence love the word restriction like someone who likes to pick at scabs.  They wrap themselves in spreadsheets to keep themselves warm at night.  I don’t hate them but… so goes the straw man narrative.

There are horror stories of multi-millionaires who drive all over town to save a few cents on gas and others who can’t even vacation where they want to because they must use their miles on an airline that does not fly to that destination. Moreover, these wealthy scrooges say that they want to change but they actually really don’t. 

What if we flipped the question and asked, “Why pay less money when you could pay more money?”  Also what if you 10X your spending on things that you really love?  How great could your life be? What joys are you missing out on?

Anyone who challenges this narrative is either a foolish restrictive scrooge or financially illiterate and therefore poor and hence unable to appreciate the problem of actually being in a position to spend more money better.

Frugality & The Financial Independence Community

Surprisingly, many in the financial independence and retire early communities seem to be making large purchases and embracing this narrative recently.

One podcaster that I have much respect for recently ran an episode where he talked about spending more money.  

After years of being admittedly overly frugal, he came to a realization that he was not using his money to maximize his life.  He met with a coach who urged him to spend way more. This spending thing is incredible, he claimed while describing how he bought a really nice coffee maker and was kitting his house out with stuff on Amazon.  He questioned what he had been missing out on for the last 40 years of his life and remarked that his money coach would be proud because he has doubled his spending over the last two years.  He acknowledged that he had made a lot of progress but still had a ways to go.  It would after all be a great tragedy to die with millions in the bank, he asserted.

Much of this talk seems to fly in the face of frugality as a strength, stoicism which so many once championed on the road to financial independence, fifty years of research into hedonic adaptation, as well as much research around the link between happiness and money.  So what is going on here?

Recency Bias Post Financial Independence?

I jokingly want to call this trend of rejecting frugality, “everyone in the FIRE community turned 50 at the same time,”  because this sort of toxic frugality rhetoric seems a product of recency bias among those who have not adjusted their spend into later middle age as their portfolios have swollen over a historically phenomenal stock market run. Now these folks are newly opening their wallets and experiencing so much of the convenience as well as dopamine spikes that most average consumers do on the daily.  One well known coach is seizing this moment to inherit their audience and denigrate their original message while getting thanked for it.  So let’s unpack this.

Frugality & Money Coaching

First off frugality is of course not toxic. It is simply a mindset, a practice to look at spend versus value rather than consuming as a reflex. After all, we are hardwired to consume. It is in our DNA and your drive to consume is what makes capitalism work which kinda makes the world go round today. In fact being a money coach that helps wealthy but overly frugal people spend money sounds like a great job. Convince people to do something that they are hardwired to do but have been habitually avoiding sounds a heck of a lot easier than say getting them to worry about, save, and invest money for 10 years so that they can be in a place of financial independence and then not have to worry about it at some point in the future. I am in the wrong line of work. Also as a money coach, you know that your clients can pay you well because they have boatloads of money that they need help spending. Maybe I could even accompany my clients on some spend coaching sessions where we live it up Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous style with caviar and wine that I can’t pronounce. Please sign me up for this job. Ok jokes aside, there is an opportunity for empathy and learning here.

When Frugality No Longer Serves You

Any strength over used or mis-applied can be a weakness. It is easy to fall into habits that once served you but no longer do. I certainly have my own overly frugal vestiges and need to nudge myself here and there to update my thinking. I am also a firm believer that spending habits should change based on your stage of financial independence and covered this topic in depth some months back. Certainly a 50 year old with millions in the bank should be spending differently and making different money decisions than a 20 year old who still has student loans and does not yet have compound interest working in her favor. I can see how it might feel like a revelation to someone who has been frugal for years to realize that this frugality has now put them in a position to be able to do exactly the opposite. Yes you now can buy that fancy bakery bread, that fresh $6 salsa, that chunk of fresh Alaskan halibut for dinner. Moreover, money can buy convenience and can be spent to save time in some instances (I have been working on that one in particular). If you have the finances to support it by all means go for it. That is the very reason you put in the work, so that you could live your financially independent life. However, realize that it is no more virtuous to spend than it is “toxic” to practice frugality. Spending twice as much money is not “progress,” it is just spending more. The notion that an optimized life means spending in accordance to your wealth is kind of silly.

Optimized Spending?

The straw man argument is that you are living a deprived worse life if not spending commensurate with your means. By this logic, someone like Bill Gates is living a deprived or under utilized life if he does not spend at least $12.6 million dollars a day. Clearly this seems ludicrous and it is. Research suggests that beyond a point, more spending does not mean more happiness. Moreover, hedonic adaptation research pretty consistently indicates that while someone who buys an expensive coffee maker and just loves pushing the knob and grinding the beans may have some short term euphoria around the new freedom of buying lots of stuff, this same guy will very quickly adjust to that new level of consumption and will experience it as just another cup of coffee after 6 months or so. Again this is not a problem when one has the extra cash to afford it but it is also not a virtue either.

Is It Actually a Tragedy to Die With Millions?

As someone who faced the prospect of dying with millions in the bank, I can tell you that it was not a tragedy in my mind at all.  While the money gave me security through cancer, it did not solve my problem nor did I fear the tragedy of having not spent enough.  The tragedy was the possibility of not being there for my kids and the missed experiences as opposed to whether I wore a $30 sweater or a $300 sweater.

What do people on their deathbeds actually regret? These five common regrets of the dying do not have anything in them about making sure you spend all of your money or about optimizing some money, time, consumption equation, however, they may yield insight into how one might spend money well to help meet more meaningful goals:

  1. I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.
  2. I wish I hadn’t worked so hard.
  3. I wish I’d had the courage to express my feelings.
  4. I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.
  5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.

Is Money The Barrier to Your Rich Life?

Let me reiterate that from a pure financial planning stand point there is nothing wrong with lavish expenditures that you can afford but there is also nothing right about it.  In this past year, I have eaten at perhaps the most acclaimed restaurant in the USA (the French Laundry), rented a private villa, and dropped crazy cash on the beaches of Hawaii:

 These things cost a lot of money and were great. I have also taken my kids to a show at perhaps the most famous opera house in the world for 15€ each, and stayed in an extraordinary palace for the price of a hotel room. One of my best days of this last year was a magical afternoon just skipping rocks and biking by a river with my family.

These things cost very little money and were also great. My point here is three fold:

  1. Spending more money does not necessarily mean a richer life.
  2. Great experiences need not cost lots of money.
  3. Living your rich life can be done with currencies other than money such as time, relationships, and timing.

I have found that time and intention have been the bigger barriers to realizing my Life Outside the Maze than money has. Sort of like where there is a will there is a way to do some version of what you desire and it is possible within your means. These are profound truths to me that I have experienced post financial independence and this is why I felt compelled to write this article.  In fact I talk about some of this at great length on episode 109 of the Ordinary Sherpa podcast if interested in hearing more.  Another problem with spending more for happiness is that it is a truly a bad message for the average American.  

What Is the Barrier To a Rich Life For the Average American?

Is the real problem For the average American that we are all taught how to save but not how to spend well?  Nope, not even remotely.  The real problem is that we suck at saving and investing.  Look at the data, household debt is high and rising, only about 1/3 of Americans own stock outside of their retirement account, and most Americans are not saving enough for retirement.  

Is it harder to teach people to spend well than it is to teach them to save and invest well?  Clearly, the data above and common sense experience indicates that it is a bigger concern to get people to financial independence than it is to get them to use their money better once there.  Moreover, with higher inflation and headlines these days of households taking on debt simply to buy groceries or even taking on debt to buy school lunches, it feels irresponsible to be putting out a message to spend more and spend better in order to be happy or have an optimized lifestyle .  

Financial Independence & A Rich Life

I love the idea of harnessing people’s emotional aspirations toward a great life to get them to take action with their finances. Perhaps this more inspiring sell has not been focused on enough in the financial independence community. However, I have been active in this space long enough to see multiple opinionated gurus take shots at it for the sake of growing their own platforms and differentiating their message. I hate it, hate it, hate it. It plays well to be provocative and when everyone else is an idiot you set yourself up as the one true voice. This concerns me. Let’s stop furthering the myth that more spending will make you more happy ad infinitum. This is simply not true. While the idea of spending 10X on something you love is exciting, it is not a solution to the things that actually create a good life any more than wrapping oneself in the warmth of a giant bank account balance is. The truth is that careful application of money, time, and intention to doing something meaningful to you in the company of people you care about along the way is a better way to think about things. Having financial independence gives you freedom to focus on that. Spending 10X may sound alluring but research suggests that it does not create sustained greater contentment or wellbeing in one’s life. Increasing spend may be marginally easier, more convenient, and/or save some time, however it is not necessary to live a rich life.

What do you think? Feel free to chime in below in the comments.

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13 comments

Katherine June 12, 2023 - 8:54 am

Well, first of all, it is great to hear you put cancer in the past tense. Hope this remains true for you! Your writing and thoughts, as ever, are spot-on for me. My New England frugality is hardwired, for sure, and I’m actually proud of it. I drive a 19-year-old car, as an example. But your point is well-made and why I am responding. It’s kind of like, Why don’t we use our fine china on a daily basis and enjoy its beauty, delicacy, craftsmanship, and sentimentality. But we don’t. Cuz it might break. And I am guilty of this as well.
Alas. Money in the bank is good. Gives peace of mind, and the bank appreciates it too!
But life is to be lived, and I am beginning to awake from my pandemic slumber to WANT to re-engage with friends/family/strangers near and far. Which takes money. But the ROI is huge!
Again, great article. So timely for me, and I am sure for others. But best of all is hearing of your good health news. You, a complete stranger, were actually in my thoughts from time to time. “What ever happened to that guy who wrote that ‘Maze’ blog?”
The world is small. Stay well and thrive!
Sincerely,
Katherine

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Life Outside The Maze June 12, 2023 - 10:20 am

Thanks Katherine, your kind words made my day. Yeah I am still out here trying to live well and do well, I just don’t write as much these days but rather focusing more on the living. As you say, life is indeed to be lived. Money spent to connect with friends and family is high value spend for sure and I am happy to hear it. Be well and I hope you find lots of reasons to break out that fine china 🙂

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freddy smidlap June 12, 2023 - 1:24 pm

hey chris, glad to know you are on the mend. first off, how full ‘o crap does one have to be to call oneself a money coach? i wonder if your podcaster really paid their own money for advice or if it’s just more cross promotion?

regarding your premise i can tell you something we started doing with some “extra” dollars in our later years. each year we drive 12-13 hours to a beach in north carolina. when we had less money and less paid time off we would make the drive in one sitting and get in tired as hell. this year we stopped at little motels half way just to be a little more fresh on arrival. it was like buying an extra day at the beach having that extra daylight and the few hundred dollar cost of the stops are irrelevant at this point. frugality still wins the day for what we value though. for triple the price we could have rented ocean front but we chose the less expensive place still only about 200 meters from the water with no view. it’s easy enough to walk a few minutes and not have to try and impress anyone.

how was the french laundry? did you buy wine by the bottle or just go with their recommendations for each course?

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Life Outside The Maze June 12, 2023 - 2:24 pm

Hi Freddy good to hear from you. Those beach trips sound about perfect. Eating at the French Laundry has been on my list for about a decade and it was better than I had even hoped. I am huge into food but was worried that it might feel pretentious for my taste. Then we arrived and everyone was very relaxed and friendly. There was a 90’s rock playing softly in the background that could have been my own and it felt like being invited into a cool friends house except we had to pay a ridiculous amount of cash and our friends were suddenly food and wine geniuses. We did get the wine pairing with every course and somehow each glass was better than the last haha.

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JSD June 12, 2023 - 1:28 pm

Very well put! This latest trend has been bugging me, and I haven’t quite been able to wrap my head around what’s going on. Then you succinctly put it down, and the whole thing clicked.
Listening and reading to all this spend=happy content has been a fun challenge to my goal of being a more empathetic and understanding person, haha.🙄
Everyone turned 50, indeed!
Also, thank you for writing “research suggests” instead of “research has proven” or “research says”. Most things are a work in progress, and this more accurate wording is a nice reminder.

Though I miss your regular writing, I’m glad you’re out being awesome and focusing on living. Sounds like a better alternative for sure!

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Life Outside The Maze June 12, 2023 - 2:32 pm

Thanks JSD, yeah it took me awhile to put my finger on it too. I hope you’ve been well and good to see that you’re still writing.

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Doug June 15, 2023 - 9:42 am

Wow, I only read your blog and this other obscure FI blog about a guy with facial hair occasionally so I was unaware this is a concept that is gaining traction. Sounds like some top of the stock market BS that will extinguish itself at some point. Glad to hear from you!

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Life Outside The Maze June 19, 2023 - 9:36 am

Yeah it’s a bit of inside baseball I suppose Doug. I think it’s a little more nuanced than froth from a bull market run. I think it’s a recency bias that because the hardest thing for them right now is loosening the purse strings post FI, this must be the biggest challenge to living a good life. It neglects to properly prioritize how hard, how important, and how beneficial getting to FI was. We tend to forget how hard things were to master once we’ve mastered them and place greater emphasis on our current challenges. Early in the journey, frugality was instrumental as a mindset to apply money in ways that maximize value and also to minimize spend, invest the difference, and jump start that investment compounding. Now that same strength is toxic and to be ridiculed? Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water while trying to clean things up a bit. That’s kind of the general message here. Be well and thanks for reading 🙂

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Paul July 5, 2023 - 10:13 pm

I’m not especially plugged into the FIRE space, but I have noticed that more and more examples of bloggers justifying their splurges are trickling down into my news feed. I wonder if the toxic frugality framing doesn’t also owe to these OG maestros having become extremely wealthy in retirement as their blogs paid the bills (while their investments grew untouched) and are now contorting to justify big new spending in a way that doesn’t derail the gravy train by alienating the audience that originally bought into the gospel of frugality.

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Life Outside The Maze July 6, 2023 - 8:48 am

I don’t know Paul, I think it’s natural to be skeptical when money is involved and each of us has to decide what to consume online, who is being authentic vs. pandering or being manipulative. However, quite the opposite, I think most of these OG maestros as you put it are actually being very authentic but are in a position that most can’t relate to. It is worth pointing out that almost none of my fellow bloggers pay their bills from blogging. While my own blog has been entirely non profit to date since I do not monetize, even a high traffic and monetized blog with 5k views per day only makes about $750 per month which is likely not enough to pay the bills. If an active blogger puts in 10hrs per week ($18.75/hr) that is not exactly a gravy train. What I can tell you is that in my experience the OG maestros in the FIRE space are mostly passionate folks that care about the community. They are financial rock stars who have created great freedom and flexibility in their lives as a result of their money savvy. However, we all fall into habits that no longer serve us. For them, loosening the purse strings as that work bears fruit may be appropriate but it is a foot note to the story for the broader audience reading or listening who aspires to create freedom in their lives. It also does not mean that FIRE people love restriction, are foolish, and are to be mocked or denigrated by a money coach for habits that created immense freedom earlier in their journey. It also doesn’t mean that one should spend 10x and/or must do so to live a truly rich and fulfilling life.

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Vader August 26, 2023 - 7:10 am

Spot on with everyone in this space getting into the 50 phase and starting to turn their messaging. As a 52ish guy who has followed the FIRE space since the OGs came out I relate to this change. As the bank account changes no longer becomes an issue is it tough to change the mindset.

For me I personally struggle more with the what to do with the time as the kids are 14 and 16. Fun to have adventures with but too young to leave by themselves for weeks to explore away from home base. With close friends and family scattered away from the city it seems like I am time rich but independence poor for a couple more years.

I do agree friends are more fun than adventures just for the sake of spending money. Looking forward to the independence day while also not wishing away the time with the kids

I hav enjoyed you blog throughout the years so wanted to also thank you for letting us readers into your thoughts on life

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